Email client for Vivaldi?
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I've been using Vivaldi exclusively at home for a while and I really like it, especially now that Netflix is working in this latest build. It wasn't working for me in the last one (Win 10). I'm trying to wean myself off of Firefox, which has been acting up for a few builds now. Vivaldi is easy to use, easy to configure, and pretty darned intuitive. I understand Vivaldi may be getting an email client built-in. Is that something that's on the table?
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@EggnogCharlie - I've been testing the Vivaldi built-in email client for some months now (it's been under development for about two years), and in my personal lay-person judgment it is beginning to approach a point where the public might be allowed to test it.
So, yeah, I would say it's on the table.
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Ayespy, as you may remember I've been banging on about waiting for the mail client since about a week after Tech Preview 1 came out.
Since you've been privileged enough to play with it for a while now... without giving too much away, can you give me a hint about what it's like? E.g. is it similar to Opera M2 in functionality (database-style rather than filesystem-style)? Is it quite user-friendly in terms of searching for mail etc.? Is it good for handling multiple e-mail accounts? Etc. etc.
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actualy i hope there won't be any mail client. browsers should do what they made for: rendering websites.
every additional stuff just blows up the code, makes it harder to maintain and let alone the security.better a sandboxed plugin to use existing mailclients, there are so damn many out in the wild, no need for another one.
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@Wolfpack no no no no
I genuinely don't understand why people have been bringing up this totally false 'argument' since the days of Opera 5 (I think it was). It was wrong in every respect then and it's still wrong now.
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and what exactly is "wrong" with it?
better use the manpower to make the browser itself better, faster, more secure then waste it on something that isn't realy needed, because the are dozens of alternatives for every os-platform and cross-platform.
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@Wolfpack said in Email client for Vivaldi?:
waste it on something that isn't realy needed
Lots of things, like a spell-checker in a browser,¹ are not really needed, but an email client is really wanted by many of us just as some users really want developers tools or sync. I never use either them, but that does not mean they are a waste of development time. Email was the reason that I started using Opera 5 well over a decade ago. I wanted an email client that would save logging on to a web site to check my mail. Since I am online all day, every day, browsing while doing other work, I like to know when an email arrives so that I can deal with it at once if the sender is waiting for my reply.
Email is an essential tool that is part of my online work. Why would I want to launch two applications when one can do the job of both? When I backup my Opera browser, I also backup my email.
¹ I want a grammar checker and smart quotes too in my browser.
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it's not that i can't see your point of view, it's just that this all-in-one stuff is mostly a half thought pile of bits.
there are reasons why netscape removed the mailclient from the browser.
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If you'd used Opera for mail then you should know that not only was it NOT half-baked, it was actually one of the best (and lightest) mail clients around.
And it's lightness came at least in part BECAUSE it was integrated into Opera... All the UI, networking and rendering libraries were already there.
And for workflow - that was also much better BECAUSE it was integrated in Opera... no switching between windows, notifications clearly visible while browsing, direct and fast opening of links, downloading and uploading of files, etc. Etc.
Extensions, third-party stuff and plugins... THAT'S what adds bloat and security risks!
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And as Pesala says, a very large number of Vivaldi users are waiting for mail to be released. That's probably because all those other clients that are out there are frankly crap in comparison with what we were used to in Opera.
I still use Opera 12.18 at home just because of the mail client. Outlook at work utterly sucks balls and watching my wife use Thunderbird has also failed to impress me.
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@mossman - Sorry - no comments on any of this at the moment. Some of your questions I'm not clear on the answers, and others may change prior to release.
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@Ayespy no worries.
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@Wolfpack said in Email client for Vivaldi?:
better a sandboxed plugin to use existing mailclients, there are so damn many out in the wild, no need for another one.
Can you give an example of just one, decent e-mail client? I guess it shouldn't be a problem, since there are so "damn many" out there...
Oh, and Windows platform, please. I think I tried every major one (including, but not limited to Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail, MS Outlook, Thunderbird, Opera Mail and Windows 10 "Mail and Calendar" app). So far the Opera Mail - that I use to this day - has had what I needed and what I wanted from a decent e-mail app. Even despite some obvious inconveniences, being integrated into the browser was one of its killer features. -
I agree that Opera's integrated email was way better than anything else. It is excellent news that Vivaldi will soon also have an M2-like email option: if it's as least as good as M2 it will beat Thunderbird easily. I can't wait to have my email back on view while I'm working on websites, without needing to keep switching windows.
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@Gwen-Dragon - that's the first time we've had positive confirmation that feeds will be included... Good news! Thanks.
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@Gwen-Dragon Webmail certainly is not replacement indeed... I agree with @purgatori that the people who say it is are the people who don't really use mail, or just don't know how bad the mail client they use actually is.
Nothing beats Opera at the moment for the ability to quickly recall a mail from ten or more years ago if you remember mentioning some subject to someone once and need to refer to it again. The ability to keep a local copy of just about every mail I've ever sent and received and be able to search through it quickly and efficiently when I need to seems to be lost on the Twitter generation.
Just the other day I needed to look for something I'd said on Hangouts and it took me about twenty minutes of tedious manual scrolling before I discovered how to search (cryptically, it's only possible by typing a special keyword in the search box of the webmail interface of GMail) and even then it took much longer than the couple of seconds it would have taken in Opera if I'd sent the info in a mail instead of an instant message.
Unfortunately, instant messaging and webmail means things are also instantly forgotten/lost again. Mail, when used properly, has the advantage of being slower, more detailed and more permanent.
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