Do we need a POP3 capable email client?
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We need your opinion and vote to understand how common is the POP3 usage nowadays. Please vote your option, and add any relevant comment. Thanks in advance.
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I still use ONLY POP3 and will probably continue to do so in the foreseeable future. So, yes, at least I need it…
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I don't see a point for POP3, every server I know supports IMAP, and lack of IMAP support can be the only reason for people to still stick to POP3. AFAIK you can always configure your IMAP client to act similar to POP3.
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short answer: I.M.A.P. :woohoo:
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Yes.
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There was an interesting discussion between Steffie and D0J0P about POP3 vs IMAP in the Gmail Alternatives Thread
Like Pesala, I would like both options, choosing IMAP for main email account(s) and POP for "throwaway" type emails.
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I use both here.
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I use both.
Using IMAP only, it is impossible to have 100% security that you won't lose essentially all of your emails, possibly forever, if the cloud server with which you are syncing experiences a data loss, as GMail has already done, at least twice. GMail has more money and servers than God, and had everything backed up, so they were eventually able to restore everyone's lost mail. But people retrieving mail from GMail by IMAP woke up one morning to discover that even all of their old, "saved" emails were missing from local storage on their machine thanks to the wonders of IMAP syncing.
If Vivaldi goes "IMAP only," I will still have to keep a minimum of 2 email clients active daily on my machine. I'd rather not have to do that.
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I have 1 GB of storage for emails on my mail server. The biggest problem with IMAP is that at some point this would be full. With POP3, it is easy to download all mails locally to store on a PC. Normally, I leave them on the server for three months to allow access from phone, tablet and other devices but they are automatically deleted from the server by the POP3 client three months after first being downloaded.
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I don't see a point for POP3, every server I know supports IMAP, and lack of IMAP support can be the only reason for people to still stick to POP3. AFAIK you can always configure your IMAP client to act similar to POP3.
Well then you presume wrong!
If you don't want to use the server for permanent storage then IMAP is TERRIBLE in comparison to POP… I am an old, old school internet user and I have an OperaMail account which is limited in storage space - so in fact I have to clean it out every few weeks after it became IMAP only. That's a monthly annoyance I have to deal with - but back when I had POP access it was absolutely no problem... Opera would automatically delete old mail from the server after a couple of weeks but it remained permanently available on my PC.
Then there's my old-school user paranoia: I want to keep control of my own data rather than let Google, Yahoo! or Microsoft own me! I absolutely hated when servers started to drop POP since it became necessary to periodically export mail from my IMAP accounts, delete them then import them into my old OperaMail POP account so I keep my own local copy.
This probably has much to do with how the server is configured, but in general: IMAP = sync = cloud = privacy/security issues. POP = download = user-control.
Edit: and to touch on what AyeSpy and Doctor D mentioned - plenty of mail services I have used had mail issues or space issues or security issues or got closed down. I still have ALL my mail from ALL of my accounts going right back to circa 1990. That's nearly impossible if they were all IMAP-only servers!
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I use POP3
every server I know supports IMAP
… but not all server supported officially IMAP.
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If you don't want to use the server for permanent storage then IMAP is TERRIBLE in comparison to POP… I am an old, old school internet user and I have an OperaMail account which is limited in storage space - so in fact I have to clean it out every few weeks after it became IMAP only.
I never had a problem with that. I have over 27000 messages stored from 6 different IMAP severs since 1998 to the present day.
Never had to clean anything because M2 and/or operamail limitations.
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Thinking about what I wrote, I have a feature-request:
IMAP message local storage options:
- ability to migrate messages between server and offline storage
- option to auto-migrate to local storage after X days
That would be a perfect client-side fix for IMAP's shortcomings - and would be a nice feather in the cap for Vivaldi too!
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This shouldn't even be a question. It may be outdated but it's still in use (perhaps for simplicity) and IMAP is not always offered.
Vivaldi is supposed to be for "power users". How would denying those users certain options achieve that goal? -
I have over 27000 messages stored from 6 different IMAP severs since 1998 to the present day.
Well then you're lucky. I expect they are all big, well-known providers with "limitless" server-parks, and not little servers set up for small-businesses or clubs.
Just because you haven't seen space issues doesn't mean they don't happen. I already told you that my main OperaMail address is still limited in space, even in this day and age. And I've seen plenty of crashed or full servers over the years. It happens!
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Well then you're lucky. I expect they are all big, well-known providers with "limitless" server-parks, and not little servers set up for small-businesses or clubs.
Well… Personally I care about my mail, hence I choose a reliable client, and also a reliable service provider
A buggy/not properly configured server can affect IMAP/POP and any other way to get the mail. It's just a different problem.
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A NOTE - if it's easier to code and implement IMAP, I see no reason why the mail client could not be released (when it's sufficiently complete and bug free) with IMAP only to begin with, and then POP3 added ASAP.
Mailbird is a startup standalone client and had IMAP only for at least two or three years. They only added POP3 capability last year. So it's never too late. And people (like me) who MUST have POP3 could wait for its implementation if trying to add it now would hold up the release too long.
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This shouldn't even be a question. It may be outdated but it's still in use (perhaps for simplicity) and IMAP is not always offered.
Vivaldi is supposed to be for "power users". How would denying those users certain options achieve that goal?You should realize that thePOP3 features means a lot of work more for the developers.
The point of this poll (which is originated by a question from Jon in person) was (more or less)
Is worth to delay the email client release or to dedicate additional human resources to it because the POP3 feature?
Understanding the pattern usage will help to reply to that question.
That's all.
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My feeling is that it is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT to have the client be MAPI-compliant than to have POP3 on initial release. I think POP3 can be added later. I think if you want people to love it, use it and talk it up to the friends, you MUST allow them to use Vivaldi email as the system default email - the one that every time Explorer or another program tries to send mail, it defaults to Vivaldi.
My big gripe with M2 for over a decade, and now with Opera Mail, is lack of MAPI-compliance. If "your" default email is not recognized as default by the system, that is kind of terrible. It forces you to run multiple clients.