Good riddance, Internet Explorer!
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@Pathduck wow i could of been a star in neighbours or home and away lol
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@Steffie please do not apologise.Actually i was unaware children were being sent alone..i don't see the reason why that would be.
i think it was about 1974 and i was just a baby and families were more preferred to resettle in oz..huge country and needed populating...but yea life would certainly have been far different..and perhaps better..who knows.
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@JohnConnorBear said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
He is ashamed of his own language.
You’re again referring to one my post you misunderstood? Yes, it contains the word ‘ashamed,’ but in a different paragraph. One paragraph (containing the word) was about the mistake I made when I was new here, and another (not containing the word) about the fact it’s sometimes a little difficult if your language uses grammatical genders almost everywhere. Please stop saying I’m ashamed of my nationality (or language). If I were, why would I ever say I’m a Czech?
Edit: Yay, I’m sorry Lilo, I was on another page and didn’t see your on/off-topic reminder before sending this post…
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@Gwen-Dragon Heehee, sorry about that. I was amazed we got away with it for as long as we did. I hoped maybe that i'd trick you into thinking i was back on-topic when i wrote
@Steffie said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
browse the interwebz on our IE4
However you're far too clever for me!
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IE is anyway an off topic by itself
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@Gwen-Dragon , this is why I have always disabled it in Windows as soon as I install a browser. I would have preferred to remove it completely from the system, but this could never be done, but disabling it at least excludes it from updates, already cumbersome enough before in Windows. This has at least improved on 10, where updates are pretty quick.
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@Gwen-Dragon said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
I hope the InternetExploder will be removed completely and not only hidden.
No need to have such broken/unsecure browser and libs on Windows, we have the year 2020 and no IE is needed!Unfortunately, I do still very occasionally need a fallback to check if a website has issues in Vivaldi or for specific work related websites...
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@Catweazle said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
@mossman , there are half a hundred browsers that you can use as second, third, fourth.....
I use as a second to UR (Chromium), so I can check if the problem on a page is due to a Chromium or Vivaldi problem. As a third party you can use Firefox or some fork, if the problem is based on Chromium.No... for work related websites I specifically need IE! And for checking issues, I also need IE as - as I'm sure you're aware - those are usually sites which were coded for IE and don't work well in any Chromium-based browsers.
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@mossman , sites coded specifically for IE, in view of its elimination, will have it difficult to be able to continue existing if it is not changed. They will be so absurd than pages that only work with Netscape.
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@Catweazle I literally cannot book my vacation days with anything other than IE. My current client similarly has older administration systems which only work in IE. After a recent - and questionable - pivot to GSuite, there are things which only work in Chrome(*)... yay! IT departments - specifically managers who make decisions for IT departments - are that stupid, I'm afraid.
(*) I expect I could use Vivaldi if I install the many extensions and other crap they bundle into their pre-installed Chrome, but I prefer to keep my data away from all that questionable "security" stuff. I'll continue working efficiently in standalone Vivaldi wherever possible.
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I never used IE myself when i used windows as i always used firefox.
But i do think it is important not to bite the hand that feeds us..Everything has to start somewhere and criticizing older browsers is not good either.Sure IE may have had issues but there were not many alternatives at the time so with hindsight maybe IE was not so bad after all.
"your father may be old and weary,but remember once he was once young and confident and gave you food and shelter."
Thanks,
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@Priest72 Good point, I will forward this to my adult kids, if you have any would you dare to do the same?? Am amazed at thee interest people are showing in this thread. I would love to see a thread on best ways of using Vivaldi as I have much to learn and IMHO it is getting better and better. All the best, Brian Englishman living and surviving so far as a pensioner in Sweden!
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@britur said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
@Priest72 Good point, I will forward this to my adult kids, if you have any would you dare to do the same?? Am amazed at thee interest people are showing in this thread. I would love to see a thread on best ways of using Vivaldi as I have much to learn and IMHO it is getting better and better. All the best, Brian Englishman living and surviving so far as a pensioner in Sweden!
Hello britur.
vivaldi is indeed a superb browser and is still young and like a fine wine will taste better with age.As for fatherhood.i was rather late to the dance and now have a 6 year old son ..i am 40 something lol.Obviously i am no spring chicken anymore and my springs do not jump so high so to speak lol.
I am still learning about everything but i am enjoying the ride.
thanks britur and enjoy your retirement.!
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@Priest72, I've used IE in the past, when there was nothing else. But the technology is advancing in gigantic footsteps and even though MS has always been left behind with the development of the IE compared to other browsers, IE has been quickly outdated and only in recent times MS has finally been uploaded back to the car with EDGE, which is also not a marvel, but can serve as a daily browser for people who just want to check their email or participate in some social network without getting too complicated life.
Vivaldi is a magnificent browser, but there are still people who only need a letter opener and not a Swiss knife. -
@johnconnorbear said:
@mossman
In other languages each word is either male or female and you must use the according "case" with adjectives.That's not entirely true. There are languages that have no grammatical gender at all. Not even for persons.
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@mossman: I can not install any software on my work notebook without IE. But luckily, if the IT department decided to go with this technology, then they supply me with a notebook with windows and IE and all these things preinstalled, so that I can do what I am expected to do on it and I do not have to burden my personal hardware with all these craps. Then it is their problem how they are going to maintain it.
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@johnconnorbear: There is a viable business model for browser development, and Google is just doing it. And even if there would be a fee paying business model, I am not sure if it would help a lot. MS Windows is a paying software and it was so from the beginning, still it does not stop Microsoft from striving to monopoly and invading customers privacy. Just it is in a weaker position now then let's say 15 to 25 years ago.
Yes, Google in principle can stop any third party to access Chromium or Android source, but at the moment they are not doing it, and probably it is for a reason. Because that's how they can maintain their position. As soon as they restrict access to their code, much stronger need would arise for alternatives that likely would result in a new competitor. Community can develop and maintain operating systems and large software collections, so I am pretty sure community can develop and maintain a browser engine as well. The reason why nobody is doing this at the moment is because Google is maintaining one which is accessible to everyone and good enough, so there is not enough interest to compete with it. By the way, community not only means lonely revolutionary programmers who want to save the world from Google, but also other companies, organizations or states having interfering interests with Google's restrictions. And it turns out that actually it is not Google who wants to restrict access to Android for third parties, but the US government for political reasons. I think it is a very interesting experiment now to see what will happen with Huawei after the US restrictions. Not because Chinese are the champions of openness, but because it will show us in practice what will happen if a third party is restricted from access to Google's stuff.
By the way I agree with you that the situation is very worrying. Especially worrying in the case of the smartphone market where the image of openness is clearly fictitious. Consumers are not buying devices running AOSP code, but Google's and manufacturer's proprietary code, the access is completely restricted to the system, and there is a very well recorded invasion of privacy. Still, there is not enough demand for an alternative system to thrive. People are just happy with it no matter how bad it is.
For browsers at the moment it is good enough to take Google's open code and use it. Maybe remove or modify parts where Google is doing something evil. What will happen if this is not going to be possible or feasible anymore is a pure speculation. But yes, probably the longer we 'enjoy' the convenience of having the Google's code for free, the harder it will be to do something else later as expertise becomes outdated and fades out with time.
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@JohnConnorBear , I am well aware of Google's position in the market and the desire to see the user as a commodity, as well as the technical ability to eliminate competitors
But I don't think it will, since this would be suicide for Google. Not because of the users, but because of the interdependencies in a technology industry that Google also depends on. Starting with that without certain third-party companies, Google couldn't even keep their servers running, or keep the other technologies.Without going any further, China and other Asian countries are perfectly capable of crushing Google, if Google cuts access to Chromium or other products that they depend on.
Although the Chinese use Google technologies, they do have the ability to develop alternatives.
Besides, why does Google need to eliminate competitors? already has a monopoly position, a you say.
At the user level, the only possibility is to move to decentralized networks, where it can even create own rules and where Google has no influence of any kind. But for this we must first get into the almost impossible task of convincing the vast majority of users, while decentralized networks are only a testimonial phenomenon of a minority. -
@JohnConnorBear , as you say yourself, if there is no competitor, Google does not need to remove them from the middle, although it can. It is irrelevant whether they are competitors or not.
For this reason I do not think that Google is going to do it, because this can only have negative consequences for themselves.
Big companies don't work the way you describe it, even if they have a monopoly. Even monopolies are dependent on other monopolies today that are needed to be able to survive in a globalized world.
Google can develop its own software and corresponding infrastructure, but in order to do so, it needs components and supplies from others to do so.