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JW has written various articles previously that were positive about V, now the latest Mozilla machinations prompted him to make a change... to V... partially.
I have decades of my ironically-misnamed "life" in Thunderbird, & every time Mozilla stumbles, i fear anew for my future offline-PIM pathway. Whilst this article is ostensibly positive for Thunderbird, or maybe more accurately not blatantly pessimistic, i continue to feel potentially vulnerable in the longer-term to TB withering & ultimately dying. This keeps my interest in the long-anticipated Vivaldi Mail client peaked, &/or piqued... but ONLY if it comprises mail + calendar + tasks, each of which having sophisticated user management tools.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/thunderbird-e-mail-client-survives-mozilla-layoffs/
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Yeah, I'm giving up on Thunderbird on Windows. Since I've now got a Microsoft 365 account, I'll just use Outlook and utilize all the power it provides. TB is a decent approximation of Outlook, but it's just that: an approximation. Outlook is one of those products that Microsoft has made that exceeds the other offerings available, like Excel. Nothing else serves as a complete replacement for it; I just wish it had a native Linux version. For Linux, there isn't another app that gets as close to Outlook as Thunderbird does; so I'm still stuck with it there. In reality, I'd prefer to see a complete redesign of email. The technology has long been antiquated, but it solves a much needed method of communication so there's no chance of it simply being phased out and replaced by other methods, as the article notes at the end. Unfortunately it doesn't come close to meeting the security & privacy needs of today; we're stuck with an essential but broken communication platform for any foreseeable future.
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@BoneTone I don't deny your points, but my basic thrust was that for me, with all its faults or not, if i lose TB i lose MUCH more than just an email client, i also lose my sophisticated Tasks & Calendar management tool. Hence, V Mail is of only potential not definite interest to me yet, til/unless i know it could replace ALL those TB roles, not just the mail role.
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M3 has email, calendar and feeds. We have a lot of functionality in there. Useful functionality. I am also sure there will be things you want improved and that we will do. Our goal is to make sure M3 can do what you need it to do.
Cheers,
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@jon Heehee, i thought i might smoke you out. Ta Jon.
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@Steffie said in Vivaldi named, Vivaldi inferred.:
@jon Heehee, i thought i might smoke you out. Ta Jon.
Indeed. We are trying to do our best here.
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@jon Oh no, i was not trying to imply otherwise... i was just being flippant, light-hearted.
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@Steffie said in Vivaldi named, Vivaldi inferred.:
@jon Oh no, i was not trying to imply otherwise... i was just being flippant, light-hearted.
I did not read this as any kind of criticism. Just saying we are working on it and I hope we can soon show you what we got. You deserve that we deliver you a great mail client and calendar and we will get in the remaining pieces.
Cheers,
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@Gwen-Dragon said in Vivaldi named, Vivaldi inferred.:
@jon said in Vivaldi named, Vivaldi inferred.:
Our goal is to make sure M3 can do what you need it to do.
Yes, we know.
But compared to Thunderbird (is use it on Linux) missing for me:
- Macros
f.ex. to send personalized mails/newsletters - Filters
like in The Bat! on Windows - A "Send later" feature
- S/MIME and OpenPGP
- Calendar like Lightning
But may be these features are much more for professional use, not vor average Vivaldians.
As I said before, we will not have everything in in the first TP and even in the first release, but of course we will get all the things in that you need. That is what we do at Vivaldi.
That being said, we have a calendar and we have filters and we have mail queuing and we are working on PGP. All features still need polishing, but we will make sure they work nicely.
Cheers,
Jon. - Macros
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@Gwen-Dragon What, no pgp?? YOU CALL THIS A MAIL CLIENT????
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@Gwen-Dragon I hope that if/when M3 gets PGP, it will keep in mind some of the mistakes that other mail clients have been found to be doing recently - https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/19/openpgp_smime_email_client_flaws/
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@Gwen-Dragon said in Vivaldi named, Vivaldi inferred.:
@jon said in Vivaldi named, Vivaldi inferred.:
All features still need polishing, but we will make sure they work nicely.
I hope so.
And i trust Vivaldi devs more than i did at Opera long ago for Opera 12 Mail client where much was promised and less/none was added.Would be good to know what you were missing. Feel free to add some feature requests in BTS, just in case we do not have them already or on our roadmap. For me M2 did what I needed and M3 does as well, but we all have different requirements. Our goal at Vivaldi is to satisfy as many of those requirements as possible. You know you have our ear.
Cheers,
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@Gwen-Dragon said in Vivaldi named, Vivaldi inferred.:
@luetage said in Vivaldi named, Vivaldi inferred.:
@Gwen-Dragon What, no pgp?? YOU CALL THIS A MAIL CLIENT????
Yes, OpenPGP is a need for people with privacy concerns.
And i used GPG even years before Mr. Snowden and Miss Manning were whistling louder and louder.We are actively working on it and have for quite some time. It will be added.
Cheers,
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@LonM said in Vivaldi named, Vivaldi inferred.:
@Gwen-Dragon I hope that if/when M3 gets PGP, it will keep in mind some of the mistakes that other mail clients have been found to be doing recently - https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/19/openpgp_smime_email_client_flaws/
We will do our best and it is good we have you to remind us as well.
Cheers,
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