Gendering in forum
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modedit split from https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/47318/another-series-of-vivaldi-in-qt-c-will-be-wonderful
@Gwen-Dragon said in another series of Vivaldi in Qt C++ , will be wonderful:
@kimoo said in another series of Vivaldi in Qt C++ , will be wonderful:
or at lest tell me how can i manully update or install new updated javascript engine to Opera so it can run modern sites
tell me in privet message please i will be happy if you helped me for this , i'm not able to go to Opera sites forumsPlease open a new thread for this in forum https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/17/browsers
OK , Mr.Dragon
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@kimoo This is not ‹Mr› , you were already told . ‹Ms›, ‹Lady›, ‹Your Ladyship› are appropriate. Be careful, @Gwen-Dragon is a dragon . Don't upset her. Treat her with all due respect .
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@hlehyaric said in another series of Vivaldi in Qt C++ , will be wonderful:
@kimoo This is not ‹Mr› , you were already told . ‹Ms›, ‹Lady›, ‹Your Ladyship› are appropriate. Be careful, @Gwen-Dragon is a dragon . Don't upset her. Treat her with all due respect .
OO sorry i was not know that , forgive me
@Gwen-Dragon forgive me i was not know that you are lady
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@Gwen-Dragon said in another series of Vivaldi in Qt C++ , will be wonderful:
Gwen is not a male name.
«Gwen-Dragon» is only a pseudonym. It does say in itself which gender you are. Your signature does.
By the way, assuming everyone knows «Gwen is not a male name» supposes everyone familiar with Western/European culture. It's also a prejudice and Western-centric.Do no expect that every person is male because of technical knowledge!
You're right, but unfortunately do not expect state of mind to change soon. In this thread, read the first post (the first line), you will love it…
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@Gwen-Dragon Don't get me wrong.
Earlier, in another thread, the user already made the same mistake (he called you «sir»), he was told you are a woman, then made the same mistake again. He should have paid attention (it's not such a great effort). But you can't assume, on an international forum, everyone knows «Gwen» is a female name. That's why you specify you're a woman in your signature.
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@JohnConnorBear It doesn't make any difference for someone from, say, Japan, Indonesia or Viet Nam.
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@JohnConnorBear said in Gendering in forum:
There are few exceptions like "LucA", "AndreA" or "SimonE" that are all male names, I think of greek origin.
And then just to confuse everything even more, Andrea and Simone are female names in some languages. In Swedish, for example, those names are female and the male equivalents would be Andreas and Simon. Similarly, Robin, commonly a female name in English, is (almost) purely a male name in Swedish.
So yeah, gender should never be assumed from a name.
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@JohnConnorBear said in Gendering in forum:
In Italian it is "aeroplanO" and since it ends on "O" it is "male".
I was taught to say «la mano», not «il mano»… (I'm kidding. I know «mano» isn't a relevant example at all)
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@JohnConnorBear Gwen is a dragon, who sometimes breathes fire. She is also performing magic on a daily basis to solve problems and hunt down bugs.
I like magic because it shows that what we see is not as real as we believe it to be. The mind plays tricks on unmindful people who get emotional about things that are impermanent, and not at all what they seem to be.
The Buddha only approves of one kind of magic.
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In a forum and another social network I care about people as such, if it is a man or a woman I care as much as the news of the fall of a sack of rice in China.
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@Gwen-Dragon i already said sorry i wasn't know that you are a female , only today i know this , even last time from 10 days or more when you asked me to not say Sir , i though you are a man and like peoples to call you with Dragon and not with Sir .
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@Catweazle Of course and fortunately, we don't care about people's gender and other things. You're welcome wether you're a woman, a man, a kangaroo or an extraterrestrial form of life.
However, it doesn't mean that, on a so-called technical forum, you can assume users are men.
That's not a reason to not pay attention to a user's gender when this user specifies it in a signature. -
@hlehyaric said in Gendering in forum:
That's not a reason to not pay attention to a user's gender when this user specifies it in a signature.
Just refer to everyone as "my friend" (and treat them accordingly).
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@kimoo said in Gendering in forum:
forgive me i was not know that you are lady
You did not know, so you insulted her & by extension all we other women here too, by once again arrogantly assuming that only men like tech. Such prejudice, wilful or clueless, is infuriating. It is 2020, not 1820 or 1920.
It is really really really simple & easy to get this right.
- Never assume that you know someone else's gender online unless they tell you.
- Until you know, never address them with gendered singular pronouns, it is deeply offensive when you get it wrong!
- Commonplace courteous manners to manage this, until you know [not assume] their gender, is to use
they, their, them
instead ofhe, his, him
, & NEVER arrogantly sayMister
orMr
unless/until you know that is applicable.
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You can never be sure of anything on the network
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@JohnConnorBear said in Gendering in forum:
Second, we aren't aware of what you consider "polite" in your corner of the world.
Then consider this part of your education. Nobody who now or later reads this thread can have any excuse whatsoever to ever claim ignorance again.
Patience, you must have.
Respect & learning everyone must have.
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@Steffie We must be cautious and we mustn't be western-centric either. It's a global forum, with users from all around the world. Forum's main language is English. You're a native English speaker, I'm not, but we both have a western culture background. We are privileged here, it's easier for us to manage some issues, (even in English for me), than for people from a different background, a different culture, a different language. So respect, learning, obviously. Patience, too.
As a side note, the user, whose blunder caused all this commotion, made the same mistake twice. Once, it's forgivable. Twice, it's irritating. Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum.
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@hlehyaric , after perfection, only decay can exist.
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@Catweazle Of course, but, as far as I remember, I was not talking about perfection. I never wrote I was perfect or that anybody else was or wasn't.