Save Opened files in Temporary Folder
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@molnart said in Save Opened files in Temporary Folder:
i definitely think this request deserves a bump. the lack of this feature is for me the only reason why i am still sticking to firefox on all machines where it runs properly
Feature? I don't call making vivaldi being able to handle pdf viewing in the same efficient way as other browsers a "feature". Not being able to simply view all pdf's without a number of extra clicks and deletions is more a design failure, if not a bug.
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@astro46 i agree, that this is a serious flaw, however it should not concern just pdf files, but everything. i use open without save quite often for word/excel documents as well as exe installers that i only want to run once and not keep it on my drive.
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@molnart said in Save Opened files in Temporary Folder:
@astro46 i agree, that this is a serious flaw, however it should not concern just pdf files, but everything. i use open without save quite often for word/excel documents as well as exe installers that i only want to run once and not keep it on my drive.
yes, of course. since I have used it for pdf, I didn't think about all the other formats. Open without saving should apply whenever "open" is clicked. Question is, why this was missed by Vivaldi programmers? Seems there are a few (that I am aware of) bits of Vivaldi that were released before being completed.
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@astro46 said in Save Opened files in Temporary Folder:
Seems there are a few (that I am aware of) bits of Vivaldi that were released before being completed.
More than a few. There are many things still to be done. Vivaldi is still relatively new, and there are years of development still to be done before it could be regarded as anything close to feature complete.
The Vivaldi developers have not "missed" this, nor hundreds of other features that users want; they simply do not have the man-power/girl-power to do it all as quickly as we would like.
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@astro46 said in Save Opened files in Temporary Folder:
... making vivaldi being able to handle pdf viewing in the same efficient way as other browsers ...
Not all other browsers do this, for example Google Chrome 79 doesn't. Just tested with these two links from previous thread comments, and Google Chrome just starts downloading the file to the Downloads folder without even giving the user a "Save As" or "Cancel" option. This seems like even worse behavior than Vivaldi.
- Link to PDF configured to automatically open in browser (and not save to computer)
- Link to PDF configured to download like any other file, which user then has to clean up later. Vivaldi respects the website configuration and downloads it like Google Chrome, but unlike Microsoft Edge which saves it to a temp folder unless the "Save As" option is selected. According to other commenters, old Opera and Firefox both do this, too, though I haven't tested this myself.
I still definitely want this feature which is why I voted for it, but let's try to be thankful for all the work the Vivaldi team is doing for us! I sure am, every major version release comes with new features which make the browser more powerful and more useful for me . And I can't wait for the day when they've finally implemented every single one of my feature requests :smiling_face_with_open_mouth_cold_sweat:
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@ukanuk said in Save Opened files in Temporary Folder:
Not all other browsers do this, for example Google Chrome 79 doesn't.
to my knowledge none of the chromium based browser do this, but i surely hope it's not an engine limitation. firefox, edge and old presto based opera support this. i understand not all requests can make it into the the final product immediately, but this is both desperately needed and unique - so it can likely attract a new userbase fed up with most current browsers being just a re-skinned google chrome.
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@molnart said in Save Opened files in Temporary Folder:
to my knowledge none of the chromium based browser do this, but i surely hope it's not an engine limitation. firefox, edge and old presto based opera support this.
You made me curious, so I just tested with old Microsoft Edge and the new chromium-based one. The new chromium-based Microsoft Edge ... drumroll ... automatically saved the file to the Downloads folder, just like Google Chrome. Yuck. Old Edge had it the way we want it, chromium-based Edge has apparently regressed on this. I've added a comment about this on the new Edge forums, maybe Microsoft will have the bandwidth to make whatever changes are necessary to Chromium for this?
Old Edge presents this dialog with the PDF configured to download like a normal file:
I tested each option, and these were the results:
- Open saves file to tmp folder and the system default PDF reader opens it. In my case, it saved to
C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe\TempState\Downloads
- Save puts file directly in Downloads folder. File is not automatically opened.
- Save As opens a Windows Explorer window to select the folder for saving the file (this option is hidden by default, it's shown by clicking arrow next to
Save
button). File is not automatically opened. - Cancel stops the download
- Open saves file to tmp folder and the system default PDF reader opens it. In my case, it saved to
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A commenter in this other thread on the Microsoft Edge forums inspired me to do some additional testing, exposing additional behavior I'd like Vivaldi to implement:
- Delete all files in the temp downloads folder every time the browser closes, as long as they're not being actively viewed which prevents file deletions on Windows anyway. (This is the current behavior of legacy Edge.)
- An option (in the spirit of Vivaldi) to move files to the Recycle Bin by default rather than permanently deleting them. Edge doesn't do this, but enabling this option by default would help avoid users losing work by opening a file (clicking Open not Save), making edits to it, saving it, and closing it without ever realizing where it was saved. And then when the browser automatically cleans up after itself, the user loses their work because it was in a temp folder.
- If the download happens to be an executable like an *.exe, change the Open button wording to Run instead.
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This is a great idea
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if you like the idea, please add a vote to the first post.
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FWIW, Microsoft has officially recognized this feature request for their new Edge browser. Although, it's been on their list and in community discussion for 32 weeks with no official updates, so it seems they have other higher priorities for the time being.
If/when it is addressed, hopefully that makes it easier for Vivaldi to implement as well. Unless the Vivaldi team is already working on it, and beats Edge to the punch
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it blows my mind that now vivalid has a built-in customizable clock (as apparently there's no clock feature in the OS or anywhere in the real world nearby), but still no at least half-featured download function.... my only reasonable explanation is that this must be serious chromium limitation that cannot be easily changes in vivalidi...
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@molnart This is actually exactly what it is. The Chromium download system is very complex in determining these paths (e.g. by extensions) and altering it may open up security vulnerabilities. So it really needs a very careful hand there. That doesn't mean devs aren't looking into it...
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@Christoph142 thanks for the explanation, i hope with microsofts help this can be addressed rather sooner than later. i still can't understand how people can live with this limitation and using chrome happily...
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I just posted a question about this here: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/47378/is-there-a-way-for-vivaldi-to-open-files-directly-instead-of-downloading-them
I work with Citrix regularly and when opening a Citrix application from the browser, it sends an ICA file. Now on Firefox and IE, I can just click Open and it just saves the file to a temporary location and opens the file. However, with Vivaldi, I end up with 20 ICA files in my Downloads folder at the end of the day. Sure would be nice if Open meant "save to a temporary location and open". Maybe include a "Save and Open" button which does the current behavior of downloading the file to the Downloads folder then opening the file, then a "Open" button which saves the file to a temp location and opens it.
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Upvoting this feature request and commenting here that Advanced Chrome (https://browser.taokaizen.com) manages downloads the desired (and to me as well, the optimal) way:
Download Shelf that allows the following options: Save: Downloads to default folder or prompts user for location. Open: Downloads to temp folder and opens download when finish. Discard: Cancel download. Up to 999 downloads can be handled at the same time, they will stack and wait for user action.
Therefore it is certainly not impossible and apparently not that difficult to override Chromium default behavior.
Source code available https://browser.taokaizen.com/download/patch.txtHope this request gets the required attention and look forward to see this improvement implemented.
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it would be helpful to also show the screenshot of Advanced Chrome's "Download Shelf" feature...
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@Gwen-Dragon said in Save Opened files in Temporary Folder:
I reported that as a request in Vivaldi bug tracker:
VB-68172 "Patch for better download"Is there any relevant update in the bugtrucker on this request?
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Looks like Microsoft Edge now has this feature in their beta builds, see discussion at https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/discussions/good-news-the-new-downloads-ui-asks-to-whether-open-or-save-the/m-p/1602206
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Bumping, any news? This would be a great add to Vivaldi.