User Agent Update – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1745.1
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@kurai: Thanks, I try to look my best at all times
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@pathduck: That isn't me, it is my pet dog. A lot of people look like their pets you know.
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@gwen-dragon: I think it is ok. The only downside I see is that we don't appear in third party stats. Most users are not the ones that post here. They do not know what a User Agent is, have never read one or thought about them and do not care what they say, so long as a site loads correctly.
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@saudiqbal: Because you like breaking the web for yourself?
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@ruario said in User Agent Update – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1745.1:
I really have no idea what you think you are saying but that quote bears no relation to this situation
I do not speak English, I write with a translator. Apparently this is hard for you to understand me.
@ruario said in User Agent Update – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1745.1:
Keep in mind that we were already setting a Chrome UA to Google, Whatsapp, Netflix, Medium, Daily Motion… in stable versions dating back years.
If we hadn't none of these sites would be working for you in Vivaldi right now. We requested that these sites not block us years ago and we're still waiting…
So you are suggesting that we set Vivaldi in our UA and thus cause these and others sites not to load. And you think this will expand our user base?Your position is clear and logical. BUT!
But, what you describe was obvious even when VIVALDI was created. Why in this case, why did they start the game with their own UA, if this attempt was objectively doomed to failure ??? And now it looks like an admission of defeat, which is very sad.And you think this will expand our user base?
Wagging, from side to side, in the UA issue, the popularity of VIVALDI will not increase.
VIVALDI will not catch up with the number of Chrome users. But, VIVALDI is potentially capable of occupying the niche that the old FIREFOX and OPERA previously occupied - the niche of the browser giving the user the ability to fully customize, in accordance with their preferences. Only movement in this direction is able to increase the number of VIVALDI users. Progress is being observed, although not as fast as I would personally like.
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@Gwen-Dragon said in User Agent Update – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1745.1:
@Gregor Not, that is not a Vivaldi problem, its is a Chrome-only problem. That is a Google API issue and can not be solved by UA as some features/Google services are only in Chrome(!).
Fails with all ungoogled browsers like f.ex. Marmadukes Chromium from https://chromium.woolyss.com.Please use: https://earth.google.com/web/?beta=1
According to this article https://web.dev/earth-webassembly/ Google Earth works on Opera and other Chromium browsers.
https://earth.google.com/web/?beta=1 not working for me on Vivaldi. -
@kichrot said in User Agent Update – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1745.1:
I do not speak English, I write with a translator. Apparently this is hard for you to understand me.
Here's a tip: When quoting people, it a good idea to actually get the quote correct. Otherwise it's not an actual quote, and can easily be misunderstood.
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What you describe was obvious even when VIVALDI was created. Why in this case, why did they start the game with their own UA, if this attempt was objectively doomed to failure
I think we hoped that despite all our problems over the years at Opera, the new UA including Vivaldi was ‘close enough’ that the blocking wouldn't happen so frequently. That appears now to not be the case. Only a fool keeps banging their head on a wall when they realise it hurts… and the wall is still present.
VIVALDI is potentially capable of occupying the niche that the old FIREFOX and OPERA previously occupied …
The only effect the UA has on taking users from Firefox/Opera is that by trying a force the use of the word Vivaldi in there (which has zero benefit to the users) we slowed the process down.
Come back to me when Firefox dares to remove the redundant (well not really but in your eyes) ‘Mozilla/’ from the front of their UA or Chrome stops reporting ‘Safari’.
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Hmm, heavy on memory ...
EDIT:
After restart - Start Up with Last Session (same number of tabs):
EDIT2:
Vivaldi has been running without restart since screenshot above (3 days):Then I had to restart (running out of memory)- Start Up with Last Session:
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@helsten2 14GB??
I don't think they even have GPUs with that much memory? Unless it uses system memory for the GPU (on-board?) And the Task Manager shows "only" 8GB. The other tabs are extremely big as well.
If you can find a way to consistently reproduce it, please make a bug report:
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Hey!
Thanks for the new build!
Speaking about user agent, any news for the issue about WhatsApp in web panel?
It's been ages now that it does not work correctly, needing constant tweaks and switchs between desktop/mobile version + actions on the webpanel home button.
This is definitely something related to user agent, but this snapshot does not seem to solve the problem
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@guilimote: It works much better now (from this build) but you should clear all site data (Dev tools → Application → Clear storage → Clear site data) and relog in. Old cookies and other site specific data can have an effect.
Keep in mind that when you first add whatsapp web to a panel it is initially loads as “Mobile” (i.e. with an Chrome-like Android user agent). This in turn causes the page to redirect to another page suggesting installing the Android app.
If you right click on the web panel icon and choose “desktop”, the page reloads (but of course it is reloading the redirected page now).
Now however, if you then click the “home” button everything works and will work forever going forward, unlike the situation we had before.
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@ruario ah, great, thanks for the clarification!
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@Gwen-Dragon Thanks, done —
VB-61125
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@Gregor That article talks exclusively about the webassembly beta version that @Gwen-Dragon linked, which works just fine for me with Vivaldi, along with the other browsers the article discussed. The current "normal" google earth, that uses native client, works only in chrome.
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@Aronand
Thank you for the feedback - I just wanted to make sure you guys were aware since it had previously been listed in Known Issues, but not his time. -
@kened Show them the code how to do it if it's so easy. It also should not break any other function when implemented. Maybe you can help make Vivaldi even better.
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@iAN-CooG said in User Agent Update – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1745.1:
@kened It also should not break any other function when implemented.
Truth to that, in everyone's favourite browser -sorry- "best browser in the world", work in Chromium has broken that already sluggish pop-out, is interfering with code so they had to disable it. Why it is so difficult for hardcore fans to deny such a thing from happening? It shouldn't be that hard.