Qwant search refuses to connect due to useragent setting
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@Gwen-Dragon said in Quant search refuses to connect due to useragent setting:
Qwant blocks Vivaldi 2.9.1699.4 and works with 2.8.1664.44 - crazy!
Maybe its the snapshot version that makes the User Agent setting so dangerously unique?
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@Der_Pit It should relieve then the more people use it. But .. strange.
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Damn, that's nasty. I guess they got a good "deal" to push the Brave browser then. It guess in one way it's a logical consequence of the "fingerprint tracking paranoia overkill madness" that's going around at the moment
I believe Qwant at least at some point was (or maybe still is) the default search in Vivaldi, and if so Vivaldi probably has an OK relationship with them, and this was just a badly thought-out idea by some idiot brogrammer.
Guess I'll set a query of "<expletive> you Qwant" and set it to refresh say once a second and just let it run until they ban my IP or something... :smiling_face_with_open_mouth_closed_eyes:
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Just wanted to chime in to confirm it doesn't work on android (Vivaldi ver. 2.7.1624.277) neither.
Their loss since I'm sticking with Vivaldi
EDIT: Seems to be working on WIN10 desktop version (Windows 10 OS Version 1809 (Build 17763.805) .
Vivaldi version 2.7.1628.30 (Stable channel) (64-bit) -
@iAN-CooG said in Quant search refuses to connect due to useragent setting:
Any site that blocks me without reason needs to die and being forgotten by the whole internet ASAP
They block potential users, which will result in less ad revenue. They're kind of fulfilling that prophecy themselves. (unless there's some behind the scenes money that will tide them over...)
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They block Chrome 68 (Beta) and Chromium 69 (which is a updated as it can get atm) too.
There there are multiple ways to track and fingerprint users - but they are not needed, because Brave sticks out like a sore thumb too, see https://botsvsbrowsers.org/category/75/index.html
Apart from that:
They use GET requests to retrieve the result instead of POST where the request is inside of the encrypted package - so everyone can read the request and subsequently what I 've searched for.So basically it is BS and FUD and an advertisement for Brave - I wonder what they've got for it ...
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@QuHno They have an history of having big bugs. So I think it's that rather than an ad for Brave.
But yeah, avoiding Qwant might be a good idea in any case. -
@Cqoicebordel If intended or not, de facto it is a sneaky ad for Brave.
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A search engine with browser sniffing, apart from surreal, cannot claim to be a private search engine. I still use Startpage to what I consider one of the best.
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Asked on Twitter and got an answer saying something akin to "it's an experiment, we are aware of the problem, we must do better, sorry"
Full thread here : https://twitter.com/gchampeau/status/1185269931182645248 (in french)
(Note : Guillaume Champeau works at Qwant) -
@Cqoicebordel «On est au courant pour Vivaldi» («We know about Vivaldi»). Good. But there's no hurry to fix the issue, we already switched to other search engines…
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Seems they have reverted/fixed the issue.
At least here at home now I can use qwant again (snapshot 2.9.1699.4) -
Not for all. I'm still blocked with the latest snapshot on Linux.
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Blocked in Linux x86_64 2.9.1699.6 on Kubuntu 19.04.
I used your URL or just qwant.com, same result. -
@Gwen-Dragon I checked on my mac, I'm not blocked anymore (BTW, it doesn't matter anymore), but I'm still blocked on my phone.
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Try using a meta-search engine and enable Quant.
No more problems no matter what browser or OS.
(and a lot more private)
https://searx.me
https://asciimoo.github.io/searx/
https://github.com/asciimoo/searx/wiki/Searx-instances -
I can confirm the following behaviour for Vivaldi 2.8.1664.44 (Stable channel) (64-bit) on GNU/Linux right now (days after the last response to this thread and the supposed "fix" by Qwant):
Search from www.qwant.com (Qwant's main page) or the address bar in Vivaldi --> "Upgrade your browser" error.
Go to lite.qwant.com and search --> Works perfectly.For those who want to use Qwant, you can therefore workaround this by using "lite.qwant.com" as your search page, instead of the regular Qwant page... and also change the "Qwant" entry in Vivaldi's search settings to be the following:
Name --> Qwant lite
Nickname --> (keep "q" or add a new entry and use something like "l")
URL --> https://lite.qwant.com/?client=brz-vivaldi&q=%s
Suggest URL --> https://api.qwant.com/api/suggest/?q=%s&client=opensearch&lang=en_gbI have no idea if suggestions still work as I keep them disabled (I find them a bit of a nuisance - and if you enable them for an evil search engine, they'd also be a privacy risk).
I had no idea this problem existed, as I find the main Qwant page to be excessively busy and heavy, so always use the lite version when on Qwant.
This behaviour from Qwant is a big shame when they wish to become an ethical, privacy-focused, European competitor to the G suite (in particular, Qwant's implementation/extension of OpenStreetMap intrigues me). Whilst I tend to favour Startpage for search, along with Disroot.org's and Privacytools.io's instances of SearX, I have been following the development of Qwant with interest. If they block a European, ethical, privacy-compatible browser, they send the wrong statement completely. They also reduce their user base, which I'm sure is the opposite of what they need to achieve to survive.
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@jamesbeardmore said in Qwant search refuses to connect due to useragent setting:
This behaviour from Qwant is a big shame when they wish to become an ethical, privacy-focused, European competitor to the G suite (in particular, Qwant's implementation/extension of OpenStreetMap intrigues me). Whilst I tend to favour Startpage for search, along with Disroot.org's and Privacytools.io's instances of SearX, I have been following the development of Qwant with interest. If they block a European, ethical, privacy-compatible browser, they send the wrong statement completely. They also reduce their user base, which I'm sure is the opposite of what they need to achieve to survive.
Yes and no. It is, IMHO just a bad thing in general to completely block access. But they do have the valid point that in that respect Vivaldi is not that privacy-compatible, as it voluntarily gives much more info than actually needed, and even doesn't offer a way to change it. I would have appreciated a popup that notifies the user about the issue, but can just be closed.
There have been requests to add the capability to edit/change the Agent String for quite some time. Maybe this thread helps getting it into place..... -
@Der_Pit said in Qwant search refuses to connect due to useragent setting:
There have been requests to add the capability to edit/change the Agent String for quite some time. Maybe this thread helps getting it into place.....
I used to use this feature ("identify as...") extensively before Opera lost its way. Back at that time, the web was littered with "works best in Internet Explorer" warnings, or intentionally-broken web sites that worked perfectly once Opera was set to pretend it was IE. As a work around, to the problem of tracking by browser-ID, the privacy extension "Trace" by a lad called "AbsoluteDouble" can be set to change your reported browser ID and also fake/hide some other bits of commonly-leaked information. Unfortunately, even when I set to spoof as Firefox using this extension, Qwant still refuses to load. Either Qwant is deliberately targeting Vivaldi like MSN targeted Opera in the early-00s, or Vivaldi still leaks too much information for Qwant's liking.