Closing on stable – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1525.36
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Is it only me who has mail menus and context menu not picking up the color scheme?!
This happend already in the past for some snapshots, but disappeared after one or two other snapshots. Now this behavior is there for a couple of snapshots. It happens also for a clean vivaldi profile.
My system is Debian GNU/Linux 8.11 (jessie)
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@npro: Confirmed and it's been like this for a while. Please devs, iron out this nasty bug out before even considering entering release candidate stage. Tab tiling is near unusable in this state, for those affected.
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So... not wanting to derail the thread completely, just a general critical observation, that after all these years I think we can agree that choosing to use Chromium/Blink as the fueling engine brakes everyone else's browser except for Google's, no? There seems to be so many issues keep stacking up since 2.0 with all those Chromium updates, waiting to be fixed, breaking Vivaldi and being a real obstacle to what Vivaldi aims to achieve , that sometimes I'm wondering if it was the right decision to go with it, not only for Vivaldi, but to give an example for other browsers as well, Opera which -despite having a much, much bigger team- looks and is awful to use (not that I care about it, on the contrary).
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[Regression] Save link as does not trigger dialog (VB-52467)
Tested on Windows 10 64-bit version, it's working perfectly now!
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@npro Well, a browser does need an engine, and building one's own is not an option.
Mozilla being the only other viable candidate, and it declining in popularity, what engine would you have Vivaldi use?
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@Ayespy Seriously, I don't know. But seeing the Vivaldi team struggling to cope up with every Chromium update makes me a little sad. Maybe buying the Presto engine and forking it/improving it further they way you want and not Google dictating changes everyone is forced to make work in a way or another? Going with Mozilla's engine (I don't know how often it gets updated) and gaining market share by Vivaldi's awesome features, instead of having always the latest Chromium engine update? Don't know it's just an observation of rhetorical nature... but I think it's valid.
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@npro:
Presto has not been developed for six years now. It's like building a whole new engine. Plus it had very serious issues with O12. Fixing those would set back Vivaldi with years. -
@nekomajin: you are right. In fact it is more than 6 years. As soon as I quit as CEO in January 2010, the new CEO started to limit the core team, that worked on Presto, by not replacing anyone that quit and not adding new people as needed, Presto was not getting the attention it needed long before it got cancelled.
We had a team of 100 working on Presto. That is a lot larger team than our Vivaldi team at this time.
Even if Presto was available, which it is not, it would require a lot of work for us to move all our efforts to Presto, which would delay us for years and the code would be useless on a lot of sites, which is easy to see if you try to run Opera 12 on new sites. The Web has changed a lot in 9 years.
My impression is that the choice we made was the right one. Yes we have to work a lot doing Chromium updates, but we have managed to make the process work better, which is hopefully visible to you. We are getting a lot of work done now on adding features and on the long term projects that you will soon be able to play with...
Cheers,
Jon. -
@Nekomajin yeah I'm not talking about now of course, but what maybe could have been a choice/consideration 4 years ago. But assuredly, speaking in retrospective while knowing the aftermath now is of no real value.
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Still no fix for Hbo GO.
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@npro , see my reply above. Presto was not available when we started Vivaldi and it is not available now. Opera had 100 programmers working on Presto and needed to add more to stay ahead of the field. that was not done and 9 years later Presto would need a lot of work to be viable again.
Cheers,
Jon. -
@lamarca said in Closing on stable – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1525.36:
@npro A user on Portuguese forum told me about the Tiling issue on the previous snapshot. The scroll is terrible.
Confirmed. It seems that you system by closing the tab and reopening it from the trash. Ctrl+F5 it brings no improvement.
PS: Changing the size of the frames the problem disappears but, disabling Tab Tiling, it reappears.
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@jon: Hello, but plan your engine for Vivaldi?
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@Network , I am not fully understanding your question, but I will assume that you are asking whether we plan to make our own engine from scratch.
As much as I would have loved for us to do that, given that we did that before with Presto, which was a great engine, it would just require a lot of resources. Microsoft just gave up on building their own engine. Google did not build their own. Instead they used one from Apple, which Apple incidentally did not build them selves either. So those large companies, with unlimited resources, choose not to build their own. I think that tells you that the task is too big.
We do make changes to Chromium and over time we may well do more, but in any case there is a lot we can do even on top of Chromium, as you can see.
Cheers,
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@jon Thanks Jon for stopping by, much appreciated. It's always nice to see you active here as well. I assume by not making a comment about Firefox's engine and the Quantum follow-up that it wouldn't change much in updating Vivaldi with its code as a procedure/amount of work and that Chromium/Blink was the safest choice in staying future-proof in terms of code, compatibility and marketing, right? Thus I don't need to bother you any further you've explained much, thanks.
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@Folgore101 said in Closing on stable – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 1525.36:
PS: Changing the size of the frames the problem disappears but, disabling Tab Tiling, it reappears.
Thanks for the tip.
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@jon but the ability to switch to the Gecko engine?
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@npro, you are correct. We did consider using the Firefox engine, but it was a concern for us that they were working on this big update at the same time. It felt like a bigger risk than going for Chromium at the time and I think we made the right call on this one.
Generally I am more around here than you might realize. I want to see the comments from you all on what we need to focus on. I may not always comment, but I read a fair amount of the comments here.
Cheers,
Jon. -
@Network , switching to the Gecko engine now would just require a lot of work. I think our efforts are better spent improving the code we are working on and adding new features, settings and anything you ask for.
As much as we would love to update Vivaldi for XP and Vista, it is just not trivial to do, given that Chromium no longer supports those platforms. Backporting security fixes to old versions of Chromium is not easy to do, which likely means that we would be shipping with known security issues. That is something we really cannot do. I would urge for you to update any machines still running on XP and Vista to a new OS, if at all possible. Linux may be a great choice for you!
Cheers,
Jon. -
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