10 ways to customize Vivaldi: our users speak
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@potmeklecbohdan So part of the foundational ethos of Vivaldi is to be able to browse comfortably, the way you want, without extensions - to be able to make the modifications you desire within the browser itself, without having to add anything.
Obviously that goal is still some distance off.
I, for one, browse without extensions (well, I do use a single extension because the Chromium engine prevents a user from copying without formatting), and this helps me to stay clear concerning what features Vivaldi still needs to incorporate for users in order to eliminate the need for extensions (which eat memory and processor cycles, introduce security and compatibility concerns, can always be abandoned by their authors, etc., etc., etc.)
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@potmeklecbohdan: I just can't stand PR stunts trying to hide the truth
if they said "hey, we are moving slowly but still can do some things better than chrome" it would be perfectly fine, but using quotes of people with really little needs to pretend everything is perfect is not okay
I am also (kind of) user of Vivaldi: it's my secondary browser used for high load calculations and checking out how Blink behaves on some pieces of code and I am closely looking at every update and every snapshot and since this post is title "our users speak" so here I am: user who speaks, I completely understand that it takes time to bring back Opera and that's fine, dishonesty and clickbaitish titles though aren't -
@zakius said in 10 ways to customize Vivaldi: our users speak:
@joelyoung: why are you comparing to chrome?
Because you mentioned it, that would be the first guess.
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@zakius @Catweazle ok, ok, ok, one person β one opinion. This is my last post in this topic (I think this topic inside a thread ). I don't want to have more posts here.
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Thanks for these tips.
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@ornorm: Splendid idea!
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@zakius: What would you consider to be "My core features" that you feel Vivaldi lacks?
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@zakius: There are a lot of options in Vivaldi for customizing your browsing. We like to bring out the positives so that our users benefit. On this occasion, we asked what features of Vivaldi our users canβt live without. The positive feedback we got was overwhelming and this is important for us as a team. On other occasions, for example on the Snapshot blog, we ask people to report issues, while in the feature request thread we ask for feedback on missing features and functionality. Development is an ongoing process and we do intend to bring in more options as we move ahead. This blog post is about letting you know how users like to use Vivaldi. And on the missing features - we do expect to add them sooner or later
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@paragon: as I said, these are in the most appropriate place for them: in feature requests board
but I may as well shortly list these here: fully configurable mouse gestures (currently flips/rockers are hard bound to whatever and many actions are missing, configurable toolbar(s), actually working middle click on tab bar to open new tab, RSS reader with comfortable interface (M2 was lacking some things, Smart RSS is too, Newsfox is the one for me)
I know all of these are on the roadmap, but unfortunately roadmap and current product are two different things -
@olgaa: the tone of posts since you "released the 1.0" (I wouldn't consider it production ready before reaching the promised featureset but that's me) changed into slightly too proud and with time it feels more and more like it, in light of recent mozilla actions feeding us with all kinds of bs to justify or simply hide their mistakes it simply feels like you are giving up on the mission and going the same way as them, maybe I'm overly sensitive and got impatient nowadays, I am aware that it takes time to create proper browser (or any piece of software!) but the sad reality is that we (users) have no time anymore, our anxiety and desperation grows daily and seeing these proud posts while we are still stuck in the same place is just bad
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@zakius said in 10 ways to customize Vivaldi: our users speak:
we (users) have no time anymore, our anxiety and desperation grows daily
shut the pc/phone down and go get a life, you'll get rewarded by recovering your issues. /me rollseyes
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@zakius We hear you and it's totally not the intention of these blog posts to create the impression that Vivaldi is perfect. To us, they are educational blogs. We hope that they will help users out there to get to know Vivaldi better. And, yes, it does take time and dedication to create a good browser. Some things take longer than others but we're not giving up on our mission, and seeing that so many people use the browser gives us a lot of encouragement.
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@ian-coog said in 10 ways to customize Vivaldi: our users speak:
@zakius said in 10 ways to customize Vivaldi: our users speak:
we (users) have no time anymore, our anxiety and desperation grows daily
shut the pc/phone down and go get a life, you'll get rewarded by recovering your issues. /me rollseyes
though I don't share the desperation and anxiety feelings expressed by @zakius he has a point: for some people a browser is a working tool so they can't simply shut down the PC. When the real Opera went out of business to me it was almost like losing a limb and I guess that many other loyal Opera users who used Opera for work felt the same. I guess everybody expected to see more progress towards the goal by now, circa 44 months after its launch, it may be even possible that some of us misunderstood what was the goal. Personally I have adapted myself to not having a browsing tool capable to cover all of my browsing needs, I use more than one tool and all of them combined don't give me the easy life that I got with Opera Presto - and the regret is even bigger thinking what that browser could have been now. I guess the better option would have been to avoid the free browser and going with a trialware formula just like Opera was in his first years, but maybe there aren't enough users to justify that business model. So in the end I guess that though I understand the frustration, @zakius is wrong, post like this one and every other form of advertising are necessary, Vivaldi needs to enlarge its user base since such enlargement is the prerequisite for Vivaldi becoming the browser we want.
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#5 FALSE
You can't customize Start Page.
You can't select different background image for every SpeedDial (be it main SpeedDials at the top or subfolders on SpeedDial). It would help to recognise on which SpeedDial I'm currently at.
Whenever I change the size of the window thumbnails change their position and I have to search for them. It defies its purpose - it's SlowDial, not Speed.
Also I cannot put thumbnails anywhere where I want on a grid - I can only ad them in continous steak. Moving one thumbnail destroys whole composition. -
@hondac said in 10 ways to customize Vivaldi: our users speak:
#5 FALSE You can't customize Start Page.
There is nothing false about the claims made in the blog.If you would like to select different backgrounds for each speed dial page, then add a new feature request for it.
Vote for Zoom Start Page Thumbnails to Fit which would solve the problem of the grid rearranging itself on resizing the Window. There is already a setting for Maximum Columns in Settings, Startpage, which will help to some extent.
Again, add a feature request for a More Flexible arrangement of Speed Dial Thumbnails.
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@zakius I do also share some of that frustration, as I don't have a browser that would answer to all of my needs, but the reality is that if you want a product that fits your needs 100%, you're probably gonna have to develop it yourself. And it's not something that can be done overnight.
To me, Vivaldi is far far away from where I wish it was, but I believe that it'll be there eventually. And I know that I won't make them give me what I want just by blindly complaining in the comments about the difficulties of my life without the proper browser, so, instead, I'm trying to support them the way I can.
You haven't paid to download Vivaldi, you didn't invest your money in their company, they didn't make a promise to deliver you something that you specifically asked for, so that gives you no right to make such demanding (and disrespectful) statements.
Also, they don't advertise themselves as "the new, better Opera", so I think it's a bit ignorant to tell them what they should or shouldn't consider as a working, functional product. They did what they did and they have the right to feel proud of it (even if it's nothing in your eyes) or to advertise their product however they wish. It won't change the fact that it's still their product vs. your own opinion. -
@pafflick: take in count that Vivaldi is (for whatever reason) not an open source project (even if we can see some code) so we can't back it up even with things they would gladly accept so we can't do anything besides commenting (or buying some gadgets and wasting most of the money for the gadget itself instead of putting it in the product, great deal)
I am in close touch with the head of another project, supporting with ideas and issues and even provided some code for them, Vivaldi doesn't allow me to do it though -
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@zakius It's a private company, so we either use their products or we don't. And I'm not saying because I'm happy about it, as I'm not - I'm saying it because that's the reality. Just because it's free, doesn't mean it should be open source (no matter how awesome that could be) nor does it give us the right to make demands as if we owned the company.
But I wonder how Vivaldi prevents you from providing them ideas or reporting issues? Regarding the code - I know it's sometimes impossible since it's not open source, but there were times when they used some parts of code provided by their users. So it's not entirely true, that they don't accept such support.
And the fact, that the only money you can "waste" here is for some gadgets means that they don't want anyone to feel as if they owed anything to anyone. Otherwise, we wouldn't see anything else here but demands from disappointed users, who put their money into a project that hasn't met their expectations. Perhaps they value the freedom of choice concerning the direction of the development process over the money aspect.
So, just as I said - I'm trying to support them the way I can. We can criticize the things we don't like, but this should be a constructive criticism. I don't think that mere complaints or accusations can do any good, for anyone...