10 ways to customize Vivaldi: our users speak
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@olgaa Great to have a summary of the customization options. Certainly something to share with new Vivaldi users for example. It could be part of a sort of "Welcome pack".
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The primary reason why I don't use Vivaldi as my main browser is the lack of control so... there are people rasied by chrome and there are people raised by Opera and Firefox, the first group may feel like they can do everything while the other feel terribly restrained
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@zakius: first step of unbreaking it would be removing extensions API restrains: make contentscripts work everywhere, no matter if it's an internal page or one generated by extension, just that and it would be so much easier to use
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@zakius said in 10 ways to customize Vivaldi: our users speak:
The primary reason why I don't use Vivaldi as my main browser is the lack of control...
I don't understand your statement; what is it you don't have control of? Vivaldi gives you so much control over pretty much everything. What does Chrome let you do that Vivaldi does not?
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@joelyoung: why are you comparing to chrome? chrome is the most useless pseudobrowser out there
but it doesn't mean Vivaldi is THE browser, it isn't just yet, currently sticking to Waterfox is our best bet since it keeps what Firefox used to have (meaning pretty much everything Opera had but provided by extensions + additional UI customizations)And if you are asking what Waterfox has: I posted some topics in feature requests long ago, I believe these should still be there and in terms of my needs nothing changed since then (or even since prerelease)
I just meant that chrome users may feel like they got released into wild but in reality bars of the cage still wait for them, just a bit further and may be not visible from their standing point yet while people coming from Opera or Firefox notice these limitations instantly
I am aware that your team isn't that big and you have limited resources and that's completely fine, but I feel that talking about all the freedom and power while you just slightly increased cages size is, you know, not exactly honest to not say just a plain lieI can't deny that Vivaldi allows us to do tons of stuff but unfortunately it still misses my core features and I am definitely not the most demanding user out there, there are many more obsessed people I know personally or talked to on the web, I know even a person who is still using Opera and building own browser (for a few years now!) because "if you don't do it yourself it won't be any good"
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Sync and adblock incorporated separately, what can Waterfox do without extensions what Vivaldi can not?
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@catweazle I would hazard a guess of moving UI buttons about.
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@catweazle: what can Vivaldi do without (or even with) extensions? don't "mouse gestures" me cause Vivaldi's implementation is incomplete and chromium API makes it impossible to implement mouse gestures extension properly
and yes, extremely heavy UI customization is possible even without extensions
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@zakius said in 10 ways to customize Vivaldi: our users speak:
@catweazle: what can Vivaldi do without (or even with) extensions? don't "mouse gestures" me cause Vivaldi's implementation is incomplete and chromium API makes it impossible to implement mouse gestures extension properly
and yes, extremely heavy UI customization is possible even without extensions
Mouse gesture in Vivaldi works fine for me, without needed extensions
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@catweazle: and for me it lacks both triggers and actions
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@zakius If you use browser for browsing without extensions it's unnecessary to "spam" this topic. If you use it for comfortable(?) browsing your comment
what can Vivaldi do without (or even with) extensions?
doesn't make sense because for comfortable browsing you need (1) extensions, extensions and extensions (your favourite) or (2) your own browser and very, very big patience.
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@potmeklecbohdan So part of the foundational ethos of Vivaldi is to be able to browse comfortably, the way you want, without extensions - to be able to make the modifications you desire within the browser itself, without having to add anything.
Obviously that goal is still some distance off.
I, for one, browse without extensions (well, I do use a single extension because the Chromium engine prevents a user from copying without formatting), and this helps me to stay clear concerning what features Vivaldi still needs to incorporate for users in order to eliminate the need for extensions (which eat memory and processor cycles, introduce security and compatibility concerns, can always be abandoned by their authors, etc., etc., etc.)
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@potmeklecbohdan: I just can't stand PR stunts trying to hide the truth
if they said "hey, we are moving slowly but still can do some things better than chrome" it would be perfectly fine, but using quotes of people with really little needs to pretend everything is perfect is not okay
I am also (kind of) user of Vivaldi: it's my secondary browser used for high load calculations and checking out how Blink behaves on some pieces of code and I am closely looking at every update and every snapshot and since this post is title "our users speak" so here I am: user who speaks, I completely understand that it takes time to bring back Opera and that's fine, dishonesty and clickbaitish titles though aren't -
@zakius said in 10 ways to customize Vivaldi: our users speak:
@joelyoung: why are you comparing to chrome?
Because you mentioned it, that would be the first guess.
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@zakius @Catweazle ok, ok, ok, one person β one opinion. This is my last post in this topic (I think this topic inside a thread ). I don't want to have more posts here.
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Thanks for these tips.
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@ornorm: Splendid idea!
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@zakius: What would you consider to be "My core features" that you feel Vivaldi lacks?
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@zakius: There are a lot of options in Vivaldi for customizing your browsing. We like to bring out the positives so that our users benefit. On this occasion, we asked what features of Vivaldi our users canβt live without. The positive feedback we got was overwhelming and this is important for us as a team. On other occasions, for example on the Snapshot blog, we ask people to report issues, while in the feature request thread we ask for feedback on missing features and functionality. Development is an ongoing process and we do intend to bring in more options as we move ahead. This blog post is about letting you know how users like to use Vivaldi. And on the missing features - we do expect to add them sooner or later
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@paragon: as I said, these are in the most appropriate place for them: in feature requests board
but I may as well shortly list these here: fully configurable mouse gestures (currently flips/rockers are hard bound to whatever and many actions are missing, configurable toolbar(s), actually working middle click on tab bar to open new tab, RSS reader with comfortable interface (M2 was lacking some things, Smart RSS is too, Newsfox is the one for me)
I know all of these are on the roadmap, but unfortunately roadmap and current product are two different things