Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?
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That's awesome! Do you know if is necessary to enable the Strict site isolation option on this new internal test version?
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@joy It's not. I have never used or tried that. It's a very sketchy and unfinished option.
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Thank you very much!
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Different browsers incorporate emerging chromium releases at different times, plus Chrome does its own thing at its own time with regard to its own fork of chromium. When chromium updates its engine version, those browsers relying on it must vet their custom design overlays against the changes made to chromium and/or provide workarounds for things that chromium would break before they can incorporate its changes into their own releases. Hence each browser will follow its own chromium incorporation schedule, so different chromium-engined browsers will reflect particular chromium changes at different points in time.
Also, FWIW, I've been reading conflicting reports of the accuracy of various Spectre vulnerability testers (including 360's version). It appears that if a given tester shows vulnerability, there indeed is one present; however, if it shows "not vulnerable", other testers and the real world may disagree. In other words, not all testers seem to be 100% accurate when declaring a system to be not vulnerable.
The bottom line is that there are 3 components involved in the Spectre vulnerability, all of which must be fixed to be sure the problem is fully remedied: the CPU chip/microcode itself, the OS, and the web browser(s). For a complete listing of CPUs affected by Spectre/Meltdown, see the links in https://www.techarp.com/guides/complete-meltdown-spectre-cpu-list/. Fixes are already being released and deployed for both Windows and Linux OS versions. Fixes for browsers are either in release or will begin within a month or so, depending on brand. However, note that this is an evolving situation, and there will probably be more fix iterations all the way around as time goes by and real-world exploits start appearing from over the horizon. In any case, keep in mind that a browser 'fix' alone will not solve the Spectre problem.
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@steffie said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:
Yeah i ran that test a few hours ago. Vivaldi-Snapshot & Chromium failed. Firefox & Pale Moon passed. Bummer.
As far as I can tell all the Chromium-based browsers are still vulnerable right now, unless you use the "strict site isolation" workaround, which among other problems causes the already resource-hungry Chromium-based browsers to use 10-20% more RAM.
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@purgatori said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:
I'm extremely surprised that PM passed.
Why? The head of that project explained precisely why it is not vulnerable: last year they restricted the high-precision internal performance timers that are necessary to do the exploit specifically to avoid such problems.
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@ayespy said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:
New internal test version of Vivaldi is not vulnerable.
That's good news.
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@ayespy said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:@joy It's not. I have never used or tried that. It's a very sketchy and unfinished option.
So given that apparently Chromium (Chrome?) v64 will enable strict site isolation by default, will Vivaldi disable that?
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I'm sure that tool just steals all your site user pass information from google chrome spyware infested engine.. tencent china own you now jk or I dunno anyone check teh source
ps fuck google
pps at least they have a working autoscroll mmb implementation.
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@imaginaryfreedom By the time 64 is released, one hopes the wrinkles will all be out of it. That's one reason we do such broad internal testing.
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@ayespy I am for testing and so on. But since this topic is hot with the press it may soon make the rounds that Vivaldi has not yet addressed the issue and that the browser "is insecure" to use. Bad press is not good.
I hope you guys can address this quickly.... Addressing it also will allow Vivaldi to issue a press note on it. The longer you take the less possible it is to do that.....
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Think we need to keep things in perspective...
There are thousands of exploits found every year (~17000 CVE entries in 2017) that don't use Spectre. As long as you use standard browsing precautions, you are not really at any significantly greater risk than before.
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@dicks said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:
@ayespy I am for testing and so on. But since this topic is hot with the press it may soon make the rounds that Vivaldi has not yet addressed the issue and that the browser "is insecure" to use. Bad press is not good.
I hope you guys can address this quickly.... Addressing it also will allow Vivaldi to issue a press note on it. The longer you take the less possible it is to do that.....
@Ayespy already stated that the internal test version is fine. And if I'm following this thread correctly somebody appears to think Vivaldi is based on "Chrome". It isn't. Vivaldi is based on Chromium. As are several other browsers including Chrome.
As far as Spectre goes, I'm no too sure it's trustworthy. It's in China. And gets a little over 200,000 visitors a day.
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@para-noid said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:
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As far as Spectre goes, I'm no too sure it's trustworthy. It's in China. And gets a little over 200,000 visitors a day.Perhaps you instead meant to write "Tencents' Spectre tester"? Spectre is the name for the type of vulnerability in the Intel and AMD chips.
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@koolio said in Vivaldi fails Spectre check - when will you update?:
I'm sure that tool just steals all your site user pass information from google chrome spyware infested engine.. tencent china own you now jk or I dunno anyone check teh source
ps fuck google
pps at least they have a working autoscroll mmb implementation.
I also was wondering is that test safe to use, well opened page to Firefox and immediately (before clicking click to check) Sophos for linux jumped and said
VIRUS_FOUND_IN_FILE
/home/user/.cache/mozilla.../cache2/entries/E1B4EF0E74CC375175EC993041570650A0806C0D
FILE__INFECTED
ALERT-REPEATYep that's probably just false positive, but on the other hand I don't see anything at testing site which would make me especially trust them. On the other hand I was reading this forum and others were running the test, so I actually did run check at Vivaldi first, before I got that aler from Sophos when using Firefox. So I really hope it is just false positive.
And please, let not go to the "you don't need antivirus at linux" discussion. Long time ago I decided to give Sophos for linux a test drive and while it actually doesn't effect system performance I had almost forgotten that it is there..
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@Blackbird Either way I still wouldn't place too much trust in that website.
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Yes, tencent is 100% trustable.
But.... all OK with 1.14.1072.3. Thanks!
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